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Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by BeastWars4ever on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:21:57 AM
Beyond AWESOME!!! Just imagine Cullen's voice coming from that thing! This movie is gonna rock!!! Wow, just WOW! I can't wait to see this live rendered.
"I thought you were made of sterner stuff."- Just Imagine
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by deathcry on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:23:04 AM
Okay, the flames are weird, the armiture is weird, and I don't know what the hell is up with his feet. Still, that is a good head sculpt (from what I can see), and that gun looks like it could punch a whole through a tank. I might watch it just for Prime alone.
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by Pitu on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:23:21 AM
he looks!!!!kickass!!!!! cant wait for a higher resolution pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by Jammybugga on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:24:24 AM
Yeah it is a better image. He looks good. Still having a hard time getting excited about this movie lately. I have stopped getting my hopes up. Just gonna wait and see, expect to be dissappointed and then maybe i will be pleasantly supprised.
First Post? My First, First post. so very exciting....
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by slugpitcher on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:29:36 AM
i like this movie character rendering despite the homoerotic flames but i cannot imagine a decent action figure being produced after the movie that will come anywhere close to it... now if they'd just fix that suck ass megatron....
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by FoxtailGuy on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:31:27 AM
I admit that compared to recent images of Megatron and Bumblebee, this Prime render is pretty cool and gives me a little hope for the movie. Still, it's not Prime as we know him. I think the overall design resembles Dangaioh, the Japanese robot in the image link above.
I *DO* like the smoke stacks and giant gun, btw. Very cool.
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by Gigatron on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:33:30 AM
Finally a Transformer where the head is done right! The flames are not annoying. But he still looks like he can be easily ripped apart. Still a bit stringy. Add more metal plates (make him look more buff) and we're in business!
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by Metal_Former(metal@former.mf) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:38:12 AM
Now THAT is Prime! I wonder why can't Megatron look more like his true self and still look thsi different! >_<
Re: Really Good Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by frankenblog on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:40:22 AM
Looks like crap. The more that's leaked from this film, the less I want to see it. In fact, they lost me with Megatron.
I think everyone here needs to raise their expectations instead of settling for the drek Bay and Co. are throwing at us. Demand more.
Re: New Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by WWOp on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:00:34 AM
If this is the Cybertronian mode I like it. Any Earth designs are absent so I'm assuming that is what it is. This is cool. Especially the ninja turtle toes.
Re: New Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by zedman on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:15:35 AM
That's just PRIME!
Re: New Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:25:19 AM
Hahaha!!! Big Gun!
Makes up for the wimpy pea-shooter on the Alternator version of Prime.
Re: New Image of TF Movie Optimus Prime Model (Score: 1) by ShockwaveRider on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:28:26 AM
THAT is more like it!!! Why can't Bumblebee look this good?
And blink, heh, yeah, it *does* look like Dangaioh. (o_O)
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Bruticus_Maximus on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:38:04 AM
It looks even more crappier than before.
Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it for Prime.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by thunderwing101 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:52:46 AM
Eh, not to sound so pessimistic but of all the movie images I've seen so far of our beloved TF's, this is the one that sucks the least. For the most part I can get behind it, although I really don't like the legs and waste, but at least he's closer to the mark than say, every other TF we've seen. If they put Megs actual head and an arm cannon and had Welker voicing him, I could get behind it and starscream, well, they need to just scrap that idea and start from scratch.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by StevieGforPM on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:56:15 AM
Cool head, forearms and gun - the rest is crap. My expectations have long since plummetted...
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by lord_onixprime on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 05:16:20 AM
looks awesome. now thats what an alien robot should look like, beats the heck out of G1 prime by all standards. this movie will rock atleast for the transformers looking sweet. have to wait to see if the story is any good.
so far, i like everything ive seen.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 05:38:36 AM
That's a big ol' gun.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by WarGalvatron on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 05:48:43 AM
Wow, finally some weapondry on this movie Beast machine transformers... oops with the alternators Optimus prime head.
what's next... an where are the images of the Devastator.. that gorgeous tank.
I can't see Peter Cullen with this Prime.. maybe Gary Chalke!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 05:58:04 AM
That's not even Optimus. It's sloppy graffiti like cheap cgi. This one doesn't even compare to the original g1 traditional Optimus Prime design.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by RainMaker on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:03:42 AM
Demand More??? Who in the #3!! do you people think you are??? This kind of whining and complaining is pathetic. Every new line of Transformers that comes out is different and has changes, but no one ever thinks that they're cool, they just ***** about how it's "not G1!"
G1 was 20 years ago!!! GET OVER IT!!! Accept the fact that a product isn't going to last for two decades on the market, being the exact same thing all the time!!! People are going to want something new and different. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be entitled to their opinions, but when you all sound like a bunch of whining babies, crying and throwing a temper tantrum because mommy won't let you have your way, it sounds really, really sad!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by JasonFlack on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:15:10 AM
Come on guys this looks awesome, i'm a true G1 fan but did you really expect to see a g1 acurate prime in this movie with boxy limbs like the old toys and cartoons, it was always gonna be different, as for megatron, yeah he does look different and strange but these are suppposed to be alien lifeforms from another planet and i think this new megatron looks just that! besides those images were unfinished and with cgi he ain't gonna look like those pics.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:15:58 AM
I agree with what Magaroja said.
I don't WANT the movie designs to look exactly like G1.
I really don't give a damn if the movie designs have flexible mouths and crystal shaped eyes.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by ThePrimeTitan on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:25:21 AM
waaahhh!! i'm gonna start a petition because his feet aren't like the original! waaah! i don't like his gun!! waaah!
Shut up.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:48:20 AM
Not convinced with any of the designs. Never will be. It's plain to see that they aren't even trying. What they are doing is destroying this film to oblivion. Which they exceeded already in doing so. I blame Hasbro,Spielberg,Bay,Orci,Murphy for all of this mock up of Transformers.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by cowboydoc45 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:56:12 AM
This is my first ever post to this board, so please hold the flames. I have to agree that we can't expect the exact same thing as Gen 1. I mean, they were great for the cartoon, and for the time, however, I think they should mature. I think some of the designs (ok, Megatron is horendous) are decent. I am not saying they don't need work, but if you want Gen 1, by all means, have G1. Every episode is available on DVD, and you can probably find it pretty cheap at a used movie/game store.
I myself am going to sit back, take the leaks for what they are, and try to enjoy the movie for what it is. If the movie ends up tanking, well, then it tanks. I am going to see it. I think it is a good basis for a movie, and I am not expecting them to rehash G1.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by TerranPrime on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:12:30 AM
There'e way too much negativity coming from transformers fans about this movie. I grew up with the G1 cartoon too like a lot of us. It will still always be my favorite and I agree that any incarnation of the classic characters should retain a certain likeness to what makes them who they are (ie. Primes face and colour scheme) but to expect an exact likeness to an 80's cartoon 20 years later is a bit rediculous not to mention boring. I personally love this render of prime, it still has a distinctly "Prime" look while adding a more organic element to the traditional boxy robot style. For me the jury's still out on starscream and megatron though, but based on the directon Prime has gone I'm confident they won't deviate TOO far from what made them visually appealing in the first place.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:17:30 AM
Way too many changes always equals major dissapointment. The decisions they are making are mostly all bad. No way this will turn out good or mediocre.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:23:20 AM
Blade Runner.
It's a fantastic movie. Benchmark for modern sci-fi. 100% positive review rating at rottentomatoes.com. Soon to be re-released in theatres with an all new director's cut.
And guess what? It's radically changed from its source material, a novel called 'Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?'.
Change isn't always bad.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by TerranPrime on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:24:06 AM
BTW well put cowboydoc
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Blitzwing on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:49:59 AM
V4Vendetta....
This movie was NEVER going to be an exact move-for-move carbon copy of G1 for chrissakes. Could you give it a rest please? If you want a movie about G1, buy the 20th Anniv. DVD. Damn!
That being said, I think they did a pretty decent job. Guess I can see why it'd take 3-4 seconds to transform, looks pretty damn intricate. That gun of his is a piece of iron, I like it. This offers a little bit of an upswing for me on the movie. Was feeling kinda bummed about the other designs. I still don't like the flamer job, but other than that I'm now sold on this Prime
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Ultimatetransfan on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:07:31 AM
See, this is why he has flames: To keep that classic mix of blue and red all over him
It'd be boring in just red
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by autobot_matrix1983 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:08:35 AM
this is awsome its nice to see that they bulked him up a bit since the concept. but the haed is spot on, flat chest big bulky and a semi and cullens voice hell i think i even like the flames now (ok they are growing on me).
i think he tranforms backwards from other primes the feet and legs are the front of the truck and it works it way back if you look you can see the front fenders right where his ankles are.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by jacksparrowlives on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:14:27 AM
I love the way this movie is stakcing up,it just keeps getting better with every pic. So they don't look like crap...l i mean g1,oh well. They're alien and its pretty much a new universe so just deal with it,if ya want g1 then watch the dvd or if they still exist the vhs.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:14:31 AM
I don't expect to be like G1. But man it ain't pretty what they are doing. None of the changes look good. I mean none. It's all plain to see. I'm not getting the original movie dvd re-re-leased with the Michael Bay & Spielberg interview concerning the upcoming movie since I don't want the bad memory lingering of this film. I got the original movie vhs late 90's canadian version. I got the rhino vhs version after that I got the first dvd rhino edition.
I'm going to use that money to buy the masterpiece optimus prime figure with the movie special edition that says Peter Cullen phrases, which I don't have yet ,and I'm going to get the Soundwave Soundblaster special reissue instead. I'm not spending a dime on this movie or the figures.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:18:02 AM
V4Vendetta:
Are you from Hong Kong? Originally?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by bob on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:39:27 AM
Wish it was a better picture. (the white border and low res make it hard to determine the details and we've already seen the broad strokes).
1st picture was one of my favorites of any charcters we've seen so far. This one has some details (Mostly around the head) that make me a bit uneasy. It looks a little like a grasshopper head. Hopefully it's just the bad resolution of the picture.
Bottom line, wait and see- or if the real trailers/ reviews suck- don't see.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:39:55 AM
You say I'm from Hong Kong? Lol! Not even the fans of Hong Kong want to see this.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by jacksparrowlives on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:40:41 AM
well if ya don't like it and belieeve this to be such a travesty then don't watch the movie or buy the toys, but im almost certain in the end you will see the movie and probably buy at least one figure from the movie line,regardless of whatever excuse you use to justify it. Of course this goes for all of you. I can't wait for teh movie and the figures especially prime.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:43:07 AM
Also helps checking out the people reviews at imdb ,and the movie critics after watching a movie. Save yourself the pain of wasting 10 bucks for a movie ticket on a bad movie.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:44:52 AM
I mean before watching the movie. Not after. If you do it after it would be too late.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by jacksparrowlives on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:45:34 AM
yea you could but they don't tell you what to think of the movie, it deserves a chance to say teh least. THe poeple at imdb prolly arent a carbon copy of you and prolly have some biased views on it.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by dark69 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:50:58 AM
wow i love it!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:52:26 AM
Yeah but if most of them say it's bad or mediocre what's the use of watching it anyway?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by corporstone on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:55:25 AM
I can't believe all the people complaining about the changes made for this movie. So what if they're not exactly the same as before. Look at the X-men, they made major changes to the team, most notably a drastic change to black leather outfits. Yet the movie turned out great and did really well. Who knows, hopefully Transformers will turn out that successful in spite of it's new looks.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by corporstone on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:56:38 AM
I have to say that I have never agreed with a film critic. Whenever they call a movie good or bad, I find it to be the exact opposite. Of course, I may just have crappy tastes.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:01:28 AM
Honestly, there's a lot of movies that I like which have gotten mostly bad reviews.
Movies like The 13th Warrior, Underworld, Fifth Element... I liked them even though critics don't.
I don't listen to reviews much. I rather check out some trailers, and then see if it looks interesting or not.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:09:54 AM
Have you read the bad script drafts corporstone? You be complaining too.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Tigerhawk on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:27:54 AM
You know what, maybe they need to add a subtitle to the movie --> Transformers Evolution; so that way maybe you can understand that this film is NOT based on G1. G1 was one story of the transformers. So is Aramada/Engergon/Cyberton and Marvel's Universe and Dreamwave's, and IDW's. This is a fresh look at the Transformers, now they include Peter Cullen to TRY to appease rabid fans (v4v4gina..er vendetta j/k), but take it as it is. If you have only liked the original, well stick to it. If you entertain other possibilities then check out maybe a cool new look at them that is trying to appeal to more than a couple thousand people in the year 2006 where we have this focus on CG and intricate fluid designs. I for one would like to see a change here and there just to spice things up. That is what a lot of us have done with fan fiction. I for one wont trust anything leaked until I see it in a trailer, but I am excited about SOME of these designs. Megatron may make my son wet his pants so I hope the go a little more traditional with him though.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Jazzmeister on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:30:57 AM
I can't wait to be rid of these negative movie opinion posts, once the movie gets out and you naysayers see how great it is, and you're humiliated and finally shut up.
The guys working on this movie are putting hours of their lives and more money than you'll ever own into this movie, and so far, it looks like they're doing a great job. Imagine how these people feel, working on these designs for weeks, coming up with a final product that gets out on the internet, and having to look at all the posts about how much everyone hates the designs.
You don't like what you see? Then shut up, we don't care, we don't need this. It's going to be awesome, and even though it's a lot different than the G1 I grew up with, I am looking forward to July 4th this year to see how great Transformers is going to be as a live-action movie.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Bluestreak27(MakeaclassicsBLUESTREAK@PLEASEHARBRO.com) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:43:33 AM
OKay...I've complained about Megatron, Bumblebee, and starscream and I thought that Prime's design would suck just as bad as the others but I have to say he looks alright; not awesome but alright...
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by RodimusBen on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 09:55:16 AM
This looks awesome. I'm happy about almost every design I've seen so far, with Megatron being the only exception (and the jury is still out on that one since we've been told that was an early design or Cybertronian mode).
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SuperSam on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:02:34 AM
The head looks decent. Other than that, it's not too cool.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by ownage on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:04:56 AM
it looks different than i remember
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:20:52 AM
Jazzmeister, you'll be wishing once you have seen it that they have never done it to begin with. Also wishing you never have spent either your precious time and money on it.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by openwound on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:21:51 AM
Theres like lno girth in the middle there. It looks flimsy.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by RodimusMAJOR on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 10:50:39 AM
I really like Optimus.
This isn't G1 altogether and I like the alien look of this design and how hard it is to spot the truck parts.
Bumblebee is alright, I guess... But the design would have been better with large feet.
The Batman movies have all changed Batman's costume but they kept the silhouette and utility belt.
I'd prefer that the TFs in this movie retain any recognizible features (ie. big feet, expressive face) but simply apply those traits to this new "alien erector set" look, which I like.
I think Megatron needs at least one cannon and Starscream needs to be one of the more humanoid models. Starscream is not a grunt... He's a traitor and his treachery and cowardice and cunning need to come through.
And TFs need faces.
The things I have a problem with about this movie aren't G1 specific. The problems I have are where this movie deviates from all previous TF incarnations.
I hope it does well. I plan to see it once or twice. I'm not totally against it at this point despite disappointment with, well, every design aside from Prime.
But for me to enjoy this film, for me to buy into the merchandising and the DVDs and for me to drag all my friends to see it, it needs to be mythic.
I get that Bay is going for the "alien" angle and trying to present this in a realistic way. But I hope he grasps that these characters are stock types, a pre-assembled ensemble and that you have to honor the relative relationships between these characters (ie. Prime is the hero who values humans, Starscream exists to backstab Megatron) as if you were staging a Shakespeare play.
You can't make Hamlet an idiot. You can't make MacBeth a paragon of virtue. These characters have personalities that need to be honored (because they WORK) and if the dynamics are altered in a way that reduces their effectiveness, people who have never heard of Transformers will hate this movie. Bu
I'm tired of moping up after you loons. (Score: 1) by kc8wzm on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 11:22:56 AM
Yea. I called you cry babies loons.
"Oh prime sucks!" "Oh megatron looks like a turd" "Bumblebee looks like a Gummi Bear!" "Michael Bay is Satan!"
All you CHILDREN, need to grow up. It's your bashing of the film that makes me want to cut my membership to this place.
It's a shame that all the 13 and 14 yearolds seem to have the majority. Trust me. When the movie comes out all you naysayers will go and see it. And you probbly will like it.
As for the picture of Prime.. I happen to like it.
-Angry Transfan
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 11:57:39 AM
Well, time for me to throw my 2 cents into the penny jar...
First off... all you people who defend the movie by treating the complainers like children. You suck. You keep repeating the same old arguments, but mostly, you just take cheap shots at people and generally act like taunting playground bullies.
I think you guys are the ones who really need to grow up. When someone dislikes something you like, the grown-up response is NOT to call them babies and treat them like their opinions are worth less than a child's. So yeah, get a life... don't pretend to be so aloof. We're all posting on an 80's toy forum... so face it, we're all geeks here. But try to be civil, okay?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:04:51 PM
Some of us have very sensible reasons for disliking the aesthetic chosen for the movie.
1. It follows the rough story of G1 and has G1 characters, but has a style that not even isn't G1, but doesn't really resemble ANY preceding TF line. In effect, it's somethign totally new, but not necessarily good or fitting the material.
2. A creator shouldn't feel he needs to subvert his original material completely in order to make a mark. Respect the material. If you change something too much, you run the risk of just turning it into something it's not.
3. Most of us DON'T want or expect this movie to be "exactly like G1"... but let's face it. It'd be nice if the TFs looked a BIT like G1. This is the TF movie, representing images and characters a whole generation has wanted to see in 3 realistic dimensions since childhood. Why ignore that, and go for an opposing aesthetic that will alienate many of your viewers. It just doesn't make sense.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:05:10 PM
This Optimus design may seem more attractive than the others, but it's really no different. It may have more familiar elements than some of the other models, but that's mostly cheap window dressing... a head, and a couple of red panels. But the overall style is the same as the others, and really misses out on the appeal of Transformers.
At it's core, this is still just an ugly, skeletal, vaguely humanoid mess holding a large gun. It doesn't look like it's capable of transforming into anything, nor does it look more "realistic". Who keeps saying oldschool TFs are unrealistic? These things are more detailed because all their insides are exposed, but that doesn't make them any more "real".
Put some more superstructure on these suckers, and some more identifiable vechicle parts, and I might soften my view... but as they are...? Sorry, the magic isn't there.
And really, that's what it's all about.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:13:17 PM
I won't go wasting money on a crappy movie like this one. But I will see Spiderman 3. I'm really looking forward to that one. This one I don't care for. Honestly speaking.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Jazzmeister on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:23:47 PM
If you're not going to even bother spending your time at the movie, don't spend it here. What are you accomplishing by complaining?
They aren't gonna change anything.
And they don't need to.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:40:08 PM
SMOG:
Of course there's nothing wrong with not being excited about the movie... and there's nothing wrong with disliking new designs.
But I think it's obvious that we're seeing a lot of 'bashing of bashers' because so many of the complaints ARE being phrased in very simplistic and childish verbiage. Sometimes verging on tantrum-like behavior.
Constant comments like "looks like c*ck" and "Michael Bay is the devil" get really old, really fast. If people can be a bit more reasoned and articulate when they complain, I don't think there'd be anywhere near as much 'backlash'.
This is just my opinion, but I do believe these 'updated designs' will work a lot better in a movie context than some more purely-G1 stuff. I mean... Alternators Jazz looks cool and all, as a toy. But can you really visualize Jazz running down the street in the movie with those GIGANTIC feet? I can't. I think it would look quite comical. And as for the humanoid faces... I do think those would be a definitey turn-off to non-TF fans. I mean, those sort of 'human robot with eyes/nose/mouth' are always going to be associated (in the minds of the general movie-going audience) with kiddie fare. Stuff like Voltron, Power Rangers, and etc.
In truth, a lot of adults now probably DID watch and enjoy the original show, but a whole HELL of a lot of them don't enjoy it now (unlike people who hang about on TF sites). These folks who have grown-up/moved-on are less likely to be interested in something that looks like pure 80s cartoon rehash. And probably more likely to take a chance on a movie that looks like it has grown up and moved on along with them.
You may think the original cartoon look is the best. But not everyone thinks that way.
In fact, if you browse some of the movie-related threads at tfans.com, you'll see that a great many people (dare I say the majority?) actually LIKE the new designs, and are looking forward to the film.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Squashua on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 12:52:15 PM
TRANSFORMERS! MORE THAN BURNS MY EYES!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by PowerKille on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:07:05 PM
I actually like this deign. It is reminicent to old prime just not as boxy and missing the grill and/or windows. I was getting worried about the movie when i saw the trailor and then megatron's swamp beast with spikes really made me think this movie was going down the drain. Bumblebee looked a tiny bit like golden bug,but still not bumblebee. THis pic actually makes this movie seem worth it agian. I haven't seen starscreams pics but i hope that he'll have his blade in the end
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:14:27 PM
This Prime has windows. At the top of the chest. I think his door windows were on his back or something? Been a while since I saw the art for the back view.
Is it just me, or does anyone think the gun will be made of engine parts, much like they do for the Alt/BT series?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by teknoskull(Myemail@youremail.com) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:21:24 PM
I've got two words for ya Bay!
IT SUCKS!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by teknoskull(Myemail@youremail.com) on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:26:35 PM
Sorry my response wasn't articulate enough. Its hard to be articulate when your talking about garbage.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Jazzmeister on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:38:35 PM
Hi Ben.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by NemesisProwl on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:41:50 PM
I wonder if any of the finished designs will actually sport the large faction symbols anywhere? So far, the only difference I'm getting from autobots to decepticons is that the Autobots are far more colorful than the drab, militaristic Decepticons. All in all they all look like what I imagine the insides of their G1 counterparts.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:45:02 PM
So far we've seen an autobot symbol on bumblebee's forehead and on ironhide's tailgate.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Sindred on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:50:10 PM
Look at me! I'm a fanboy, I think I look cool to complain about everything thrown my way. I compete with other fanboys to see who can come up with the worst remark towards Michael Bay. My ranting is starting to get old to the community but I still think I'm better than everyone else because I don't have low standards and by bitching I impress upon everyone else that I am not easily amused, however I expect to be arroused and my intelligence challegned by a movie based on an 80's cartoon and my negative attitude towards leaked pictures makes me out to be a superior to all the other fans because by disliking these images, I must know something that you don't because I have higher standards. I've read kindergarden books that are less open than some of the attitudes you guys have. Great pic by the way. I may have low standards, but I wake up happy every morning and don't lose sleep over flames on a toy.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by J_Man on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:52:35 PM
It's like I said before, the people that whine about the people that whine about the movie sound worse. Those who are so against letting people just say they don't like it sound like they're trying to cram this movie down these people's throats.
This design isn't horrible. It looks pretty good and would look great for another movie. The trouble I have is that it doesn't look like a typical Hasbro product. It looks to push other companies. Bionicles is a popular one. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I wouldn't do it if I were Hasbro. It pushed a "buy any big robot toy that looks cool" idea to me. The selling pitch is to say "we have the best robots and we have the toys you want". To do that you have a style and even though each release is different, there's a pattern that's followed. The designs of this movie throw that pattern out the window.
Now while there may be several who are doing more than using the idea of "liking the movie" just so they can try and start flame wars, this is one that will have to be seen when the movie comes out. I can easily see a lot of the people saying "shut up" and worse to people voicing their opinion are just trying to start something though. Most people having their say are not say "shut up" to the people that do say they like it. They might question, but they're not making fun of the people either. But the people that whine at the people complaining are all out attacking. Makes you wonder if they'd be the ones complaining if everyone actually liked the design work.
In response to the rest of you... (Score: 1) by PowerKille on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 01:54:50 PM
For those telling people to shut up remember that tformers.com is a site for transfans to be kept up to date on all the latest tf news and share their opinions in the form surveys, reviews, and post comments.
Tiger hawk, please keep it clean.
I'm not gonna argue whether the design is good, though i think it is, i'm only gonna say that anyone who thinks the flames are a bad idea, i agree. Flames are charactoristics of hotshot and hotrod/rodimus, not optimus.
Whoever stated something about continuity, depending on how you think of it, a/e/c may or may not be a continuation of g1. Acording to answers.com takara intended armada to continue g1. But hasbro scraped the idea after ml was released and so armada was not as complete. I like to think that they are the same continuity, but that's just me.
And finaly those who think that you can't get away with what they did 20 years ago have to remeber that in armada prime was boxy, had a grill at the front (with a matrix!), and wheels on his legs. Energon prime had the entire front stay just like g1 prime. Cybertron prime had traditional prime aspects (windows and something grill like) with drastic changes open mouth plate, and different shoulders and legs.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 02:45:00 PM
Wow, so much whining ABOUT whining...it's meta-whining!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by TheOptinater on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:09:30 PM
Well that definately looks hella cool. i am not too knowledgeable about this movie, i dont want to spoil it for myself when it comes out. but as long as megatron isn't flying around as that damn giant head in beast machines i'm good. BB's head looked kind of weird but once you look at it for a bit more it looks kind of cool. it will be an interesting change to the TFs, hopefully not a bad one. i hear all the people who are complaining, and i hear all the people complaining about the complaining. reading all the posts brings good points. they're making the movie they want it and i highly doubt anything we say will change it. the scripts always changing and so will the characters, they don't just make a character on the first sketch they do. they'll have a few. so within the next month or two we should get a good idea of what everythings going to be like. pray to primus that it will be good thats all i can say lol, just keep prime like this its deadly.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:24:13 PM
It works better if you pray to Jesus Christ, pal.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:46:13 PM
Jesus Christ man
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Acecool79 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 03:47:51 PM
OK, I can see this one as being somewhat legitament. I am a big fan of G1 transformers. After all I grew up on them and still like the cartoons. They are at least better than the crap they are showing now.
IN anycase, the major problem with the changes that i have seen is that they are departing from the essence of what defines this series as transformers. Since this can be characterized as a comicbook movie, lets see what has happened to comic book characters when they are no longer recognizable in character or in image to their source material.
Exhibit A: Batman movies after Burton and before begins took a huge departure from the comics and the previous movies. Thus the whole series tanked. I remember one interveiw with joel whathisname where he stated he wanted to take the character in a new "non brooding" dirrections. WRONG. The essence of the character was gone and thus it was batman in name only.
Exhibit B: Spiderman. Totally worked even with the old mostly unchanged costume. The major departures were the suit had a few cosmetic changes and the organic webs. It was really recognizable as spiderman.
This movie doesn't feel transformerish thus far. The essence is being removed and thus it seems to becoming a transformers in name only.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Prime_Reborn on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:06:36 PM
Hey he has g1 elements, the flames on the other hand not sure if im liking them now, they just dont loo right on the upper body. and yes i k,now i have argued for the fresh look and new appeances. I love this prime, just not really sure with the deco.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Roboto750 on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:31:58 PM
I like it. 'Nuff said.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:44:36 PM
Round and round we go, KOG :)
You raise some good points. I have some things to add, though. I do sort of resent the repeated association with those who like the new designs, with terms like "grew up/moved on". This certainly implies a progressive, qualitative advance, in contrast to the rest of us, who are "childish/stuck in the past".
It's the type of vaguely passive-aggressive word choice that seems a little condescending. Now obviously, there area lot of really immature, obnoxious people on both sides of the debate, but let's not turn this into a "pro-movie, mature adults vs. G1-favouring juvenile losers" binary. :)
To clarify again, I don't favour a pure cartoon aesthetic. If anything, my ideal TF styling would be the better examples of original japanese box art from the first release... a style rather close to Alternators. That may not make for an ideal cinematic approach, but it's a good start. Also, I don't necessarily believe that all the characters should look the same, or transform into the same kinds of vehicles... but again, I think an overall stylistic classicism should prevail.
However, I have to say that as an "artist" (I hate saying things like this), I'm quite disappointed with the new designs... because I strongly believe that somewhere between the Alternators, the cartoon, and practical, fluid cinematic realism, a good designer would be able to find a way to revamp these characters without losing that essential, iconic quality that identifies them as TFs. In short, the designers on this project simply failed to rise to the challenge.
I think their mantra going in shouldn't have been "create a new transformers aesthetic for cinema" so much as "make the traditional TF aesthetic WORK for cinema". However, instead of preserving that quality, they avoided the issue altogether, and just decided to go their own way. I can't give them high marks for that.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:53:33 PM
Well said, AceCool79... !
I'm sure the Joel Schumacher BATMAN movies had their supporters too. But they were WRONG. :)
It's a tricky thing, preserving that "essence". Everybody has their own opinions, naturally... but in the end, the essence is there or it's not, and even among those who like the style of the movie TFs, it is generally admitted that they are NOT G1 TFs (etc, etc, blah blah blah).
I think that's as close to a consensus as we'll get... it's pretty much unanimous that the "Transformers Essence" is not present in these designs.
There are some who don't say they don't WANT this essence in this movie. They want something new... to them I say "Then go make another robot movie. If you don't want real Transformers, don't make a Transformers movie."
Seems obvious to me. :)
Why make a Transformers movie, and then make an effort to remove the essential "TFness"?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by TheOptinater on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 04:59:25 PM
yah i know pray to jesus christ i said pray to primus as a joke, you know because this IS a bunch of transfans posting... oh well nevermind. but has anyone thought of how this things going to transform? it will look like the truck decided to blow up and reconfigure itself as a giant robot. it will be interesting... its going to be a long wait for the toys though... XD
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Tigerhawk on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 05:29:28 PM
Maybe its just me, but I find it hard to believe that in 2006 a giant ship hides in some volcano in the US, comes to life and starts spewing robots who only know how to turn into 1980's vehicles and can mass prop change or can only fly for 3 or so episodes. As average movie goer I would say "That sounds horrible! What were you thinking?" Idealy I would have liked to see a Alternators design and storyline branch from G1 but retold for today's audience. That doesn't seem to be what America wants, and therefore it isn't what Hollywood wants. It wants something that looks flashy and new and can bring in a new fandom like the aformentioned X-men retool and Punisher story. If I was an executive at Hasbro I would think the same thing and not put alternators in the spotlight, they are already old news as shameful as that sounds. Its business and we can congradulate thm or moan all we want it won't change that. The ball is rolling and I would hate to see a smaller opening because it opens later than July fourth-ish.
We each need to say to ourselves...How cool would it be for Transformers to become that popular in mainstream again and not shoveled off as a "filler cartoon" or for "ages 5 and up" because of small pieces. We could see a rebirth in our youth's hearts for large transforming robots. Afterall look how passionate we are about them.
I think there is definately an essence of the transformers here. Ask anyone what a transformer is in the toy sense and they will tell you "ITS A ROBOT THAT TRANSFORMS INTO SOMETHING." If you are referring to the G1 essense, you are right, very little here but see above. Very hard to make that flashy and marketable today.
I for one would rather have my son interested in something that is a take on MY childhood rather than some idiotic talking sponge or a wild rat that shoots electricity (sorry to dime you out Pikachu) which I might add get a hellova lot more air time than our cybertronian warriors. Let's kick these squishy cha
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:44:39 PM
Bear in mind, those of us who say Alternators provides a good aesthetic style to work from, and that we want a G1-style TF movie, are referring to the visual style of the TFs -in general-.
Nobody said anything about 80's cars. Nobody said make an Alternators movie following the Alts storyline. Obviously, every little detail is not important. Get real.
Revamp G1! (sounds like the script of the movie has done that) Change a few characters around! Alter the storyline to make it more plausible. All that is fine. But the important part is keeping the overall spirit intact.
I haven't read the script, so who knows... maybe I'll think it's decent. But in terms of the visual design of the TFs... let's just say the spirit isn't intact.
Remember G1-style does not mean G1-exact! It seems those who are in support of Bay's decisions like to stereotype dissenters as unrealistic fools who want everything to be exactly like the old cartoons, because it makes us haters seem naive and juvenile... but every time someone uses that tactic, it's a flat-out LIE.
Seriously, give us haters a LITTLE credit, eh?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Bumblenuts on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 06:59:48 PM
I told you guys yesterday, Prime will look good. Dont judge too soon because Megatron is a disapointment.
Now do you believe me?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by bob on Monday, September 04, 2006 @ 10:41:20 AM
Clearly a fake.
The only thing interesting about it is this-
although no one would ever mistake this for michael bay, digital domain cg, it is good enough that who ever did this has some talent and eye for detail. I'm surprised there were as many little details wrong as there were given the apparent skill of whoever did this.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by ThaConqueror on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 07:45:24 PM
First: Awesome! Love that gun...that thing could blow Megatron's head off!
Second: What really pisses me off is how all these G1 morons keep whinging "That's not Prime! His feet should look like blah blah blah". And no matter how many good people see the positive side of things and tell those fanboy whiners to shut up, they keep whining and whining. It makes me sick!
And as for the rest of the designs so far - I've seen Megatron, and he looks badass. I haven't seen Bumblebee yet.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by RodimusBen on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:45:39 PM
Just to let you know how far you fanboy purist naysayers are from reality...
I brought this image up in front of my anime club last night, a group of over 30 people, and they actually cheered and clapped at seeing this version of Optimus Prime. They clearly recognized the character and saw this as a punched-up version of the cartoon character they remember.
Again, those who are so deeply, unhealthily obsessed with tradition and conformity to what has come before are the ones who are going to lose out here. I don't know what the final outcome will be more than anyone else, but I have a hunch that the rest of the world-- average teenagers, kids, families and those of us nostalgists who are appreciative of the past but also understanding of the need for change-- will be enjoying a kickass movie next summer while you tiny minority sit at home and whine about Prime's toes.
Anyway, it was just very eye-opening to see the reaction of a more mainstream group than the narrow group that populates Transformers fan sites.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by EternityZero on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 08:47:29 PM
Some things are meant to change. I for one, am ***** GLAD that they chose this route! If Prime was always the same semi throughout the series do you honestly think you'd watch the shows, buy the toys and other stuff?
All you bashers out there need to heel a bit and just let the movie come out FIRST. Then bash the movie if it's no good.
They're spending how much on this film? Think bout it...not all that cash is going to go to explosions, and actors...it's not surprising the characters get an overhaul. I LOVE it!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Gigatron on Thursday, August 31, 2006 @ 11:30:49 PM
I just hope these pictures aren't final designs but concept art. To be honest, this would look good in a designbook about the movie, but it's not what I want to see in the movie. Or maybe this is what they look like when they are battered? Who can tell? Your guess is as good as mine!
I still have a feeling these pictures are a hoax just to create a buzz in certain media and are meant to divert the fans from the real designs. The shoots with the cars are real, but they are also the easiest to film. The rest of it is done later in CGI, and until the final live shoots for the movie are done, there's enough time for the design department to come up with more interesting designs.
Nothing is final until it's in your local theater. Even George Lucas adds changes in CGI in the last weeks before the premier. The designs for Alien looked like crap until HR Giger showed up.
Think concept, not final product!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by fatkongo on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 01:34:33 AM
I CANT BELIVE IT i cant belive i didnt see it before this guy is so using ARMORED CORE PARTS!!! to make this bot
I think its Fake and ifi it isnt hmm thumbs down but ill still see the movie cause its not all about prime and gen one its about the transformers universe so many stories and places and character devlopements this has turned into a huge thing all from a comic mini series.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 03:09:42 AM
Con, you call people like me morons that are G1 purists. Well let's see afterwards how you will react when you see how this movie is all wrong. I bet you'll look like one with a puzzled face having no idea how wrong you are ,and can't seem to admit that due to your ego. That's what a real moron would do.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 03:13:40 AM
Gigatron those are the actual designs. Quite disappointing they are.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by eneyekay on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 04:59:20 AM
who said this movie was going to be G1 anyway? It's plain to see it's not even close, I reckon that was just something thrown out there right at the start when the movie was being considered for production...
...anyway, I'll probably go see the film when it comes out, despite it not being G1, although more than likely I'll just wait for it to come out on DVD.
oh yea, and all you "fans" bashing others for complaining about the movie not being G1, to me it seems like you're the ones "whinging like babies" (to quote many a post), everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I can see why a lot of ppl are disappointed with what's been leaked so far... a little empathy would be good.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 05:23:55 AM
Quite disappointing they are.
Who the Hell are you, Yoda? And would it kill you to quit being a dick?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Galvatron397 on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 07:51:25 AM
For the last time people: This is not G1 the movie. That (believe it or not) has already been released (Although you wouldn't know it from all the whining going on around here.) I realize this is very different from your usualy TF style, but to live in the past and not accept anything new just because it wasn't the first is the stupidist excuse for logic ever thought up. I all for having a favorite TF Universe, but to say that all the others are stupid is just dumb. Why can't we all just say that this is a new continuity altogether (which it is anyway but whatever...) and if you think G1 is the only good TF cartoon, then go watch G1 with your bucket of ice cream and your G1 Optimus Prime with the tear-stains on it and stop bothering all of us open minded individuals who can accept new ideas.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 12:45:41 PM
OK. I know I'm a little tardy in saying this, but:
Dude. DUDE. DUUUUUUDE. Please let's not get into lecturing people about prayer and jesus christ on this forum. This is a place to talk about transformers stuff... not religion.
I don't want to hear about jesus any more than folks here want lectures on the importance of eating Kosher foods, getting circumsized, praying towards Mecca everyday, worshiping the spirit of nature that's present in all living things, or rejecting psychiatry and banding together to defeat the evil space overlord Xenu.
Seriously.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 12:57:06 PM
To: SMOG
Re: 'essence'
It's fair to say that these movie designs don't have the 'essence' of g1 designs. I don't think people are really arguing that point. These designs, while portraying old characters, definitely have a different sensibility to them. Some like this new style and some don't. Just like some people liked Beast Wars and some people didn't. Just like some people like Energon, Armada, etc. stuff and some don't.
But I don't think it's fair to say that the 'Transformers essence' itself will be missing from the movie. Since the TF essence is made up of so many elements... much more than just the 'look' of the characters. Some other important elements are the backstory... the lore of TF (cybertron roots and so forth), the individual character and personality traits (which sound like they will be intact), and so on.
But all this 'TF essence' stuff is a bit up in the air, until we actually see the movie. They could have copied the G1 designs bolt for bolt, and STILL come up with a crappy movie if the personalities were all wrong, if the cybertron origins were ignored... what if they had decided that all Transformers were secret weapons developed by the military? That would have been a LOT more lame than changing up the designs the way they did.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by ThaConqueror on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 01:19:23 PM
V4Vendetta:
I'm going to watch the movie. And I'm not gonna whine about how 'wrong' it is. And you know why? 'Cause I wasn't friggin' around when G1 happened. I'm 15. I don't care if it's not a G1 movie or whatever. I'm watching it because it's a Transformers movie, alright?!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 01:22:34 PM
The fellow brings up an excellent point. :)
Many TF fans, including the young demographic that most toys are aimed at, weren't even around for G1.
It's only a very narrow age range that has this great attachment to G1. And the movie makers want to sell tickets to a wide range of ages... not just that narrow segment of the TF community.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 02:58:28 PM
Yeah you act under 15 for a 30 plus year old. Do you expect me to believe you're fifteen? Yeah right ,and I'm PeterPan! Even if you are 15, you wouldn't understand that G1 is what made the transformers so successful in the early 80's. Not the current lame japanese transformers anime that we have on now. Not even at 30 you would have the slightest hint, what sci-fi transformers suppose to be like. Neither does Hasbro,Bay,Spielberg,Orci,Murphy,etc.......... They are mostly past 40. Do you really think they really care about transformers by following them the way we do? Get real! The fact is they don't have an idea what they are doing and don't care. Judging by the script, the cast ,and the designs.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Lupus2006 on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 03:31:05 PM
HOLY CR*P THAT IS F*CKING AWESOME!
BIG GUNS ARE AWESOME!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 03:32:59 PM
You know, if somehow it would actually kill you to stop being a dick, I wouldn't object.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Friday, September 01, 2006 @ 03:44:34 PM
Whoa. V4Vendetta mentioned Peter Pan. Does anyone understand why that's probably the most hilarious thing ever? Laugh out loud funny, in fact?
You get a cookie if you get what I'm talking about.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 04:50:43 AM
KOG:
I hear you... there are so many ways that the Essence could be missing (ie: so many ways this movie could fail, heh). Obviously most of this falls into the "Wait and see" category.
However, based on what I'm seeing of the designs themselves, and bearing in mind that a large part of Transformers hinges on the potency of the Object... the iconic forms that have become culturally recognised, right down to the materialistic pleasures of holding a toy in your hands... they've missed it here.
Some keep repeating "THIS IS NOT G1" as loud as they can, but that's a cop-out. This IS G1. It sure as hell ain't Beast Wars... or Cybertron! Everything we know about the plot follows the G1 setting. The cast is made up entirely of (re-envisioned) G1 characters... and being that this is the first TF live action movie, I think following the G1 model is not just appropriate, but crucial.
The whole "we need to appeal to the kids who don't worship G1" argument also kind of falls flat. Why? Because these designs don't look like ANYONE's transformers.
This movie's approach is most puzzling because it draws almost exclusively on G1 sources, and then adopts an aesthetic that is a slap in the face to many (if not most) fans. Most younger TF fans I know, from ages 5 to 25, still hold G1 in due respect, and know the characters well.
The newer series have always followed a semblance of traditional TF design, the sole departures being the BW-BM stretch... with a strong Canadian influence on design (Mainframe), and a setting and concept that fairly demand different handling.
To clarify... my point is not that they shouldn't depart or experiment with the style of the TFs. Reinterpretation can be cool... my argument is simply that they -went too far-, and lost some of that aforementioned Essence.
Even if the schism in the TF community over this runs 50-50 (though I'm actually convinced there are far more who don't l
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 04:54:27 AM
And yes... hardy-har... Peter Pan never grows up. Ha ha. How droll.
Again with the "doesn't like new designs = grow up, baby!" equation, eh?
Though ol' V4Vendetta does need to chill out more.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by KOG on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:06:57 AM
Well there SMOG. I've talked (well, you know, written really) at length about my thoughts on the movie designs and the reasons for change in a rather lengthy reply on the 'Keep your flames away from my Optimus' topic. I hope you'll take the time to read it, as I don't plan to repear everything here.
I'll just touch upon a few points.
Re-invention:
You know, this is hardly a unique occurance. It's happened to other series before. I don't know if everyone's all that familiar with other japanese animation franchises... but let's mention a few, shall we?
A) Macross
We all know about the TV show, the one that became the first chapter of Robotech. Not as many people may know that a movie version of Macross was released some short time later, called Macross: Do You Remember Love?
This movie was a sort of condensed version of some key elements of the TV show. But many elements were changed:
-pilot flight suit design changed
-color schemes for key valkyries changed
-some valkyrie designs totally changed (VF-1D became the Super Ostrich for example)
-some characters radically redesigned (chiefly the Zentran aka Zentraedi - they went from giant humans with funny hair colors to being giant ugly green guys - Exedore even gained a giant bulging cranium)
-most important of all, there were MAJOR plot changes - including the addition of an ancient 'protoculture' civilization discovered resting underneath the earth's oceans
Now, despite all these changes... I actually like the movie a lot more than the TV series. Even if I didn't like some cosmetic changes like the valkyrie color schemes.
B) Bubblegum Crisis -
This series, along with its less well-received sequel, Bubblegum Crash, was original something of an ode to Blade Runner. It combined the oppressive city atmosphere and corporate control of the Blade Runner world with a team of heroines battling against cyborgs and such to the beat of some
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by exit20one on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:16:41 AM
At first impression, I thought this was by far the best image I've seen yet! However I should note that the news I've heard from several sorces let it be websites, the producers, etc., was that these are very early scetches, and that ILM has just recently started development on them. So I still belive that the way the Transformers look can still be for the better. It's not the traditional "box-like" bodies we fans have seen and adored in the past, but I think that also as fans, we should still have faith that the movie will not ruin the Transformers. True G1 was by far one of the most unique ideas of its time and still is today, this movie repsentation of it will also have some unique features while still keeping to the orgins of the transformers in both story and design.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Th_4RL_Deal on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:39:35 AM
A'WIGHT! If I had as much money as this has coolness, I'd be flipping rich!
My faith... has returned. :)
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:42:00 AM
Ha! KOG, we should pick a thread and stick to it, rather than hijacking half the forum. :)
Yes. I agree... not all change is bad.
But some change is. Get it? :)
Now obviously, some of this comes down to opinion... but I think I can make a fairly strong case on a few points here.
Despite all protestations to the contrary, this IS a G1 movie. Not a -literal- adaptation, obviously. But it's the most G1 thing to come along in all the years of new TF series... so I think it's fair to apply the G1 moniker to it.
Also, this is not a new TF series... I think being that this is a Hollywood big-budget live-action film based on a successful toy/cartoon line, I would call this an -adaptation-.
As I mentioned before, this is not just one more out of 1000 re-interpretations of Gundam or Tenchi-Muyo, where a fresh look is needed every now and again.
This is the live action Transformers movie. I think there has been a tremendous amount of anticipation involved here, largely with fans who alwasy wanted to see how a TF would look on the big, realistic screen.
And now that we've seen them, we don't even recognise them.
(and speaking of Megatron and Starscream, this isn't even slightly an exaggeration. How can that be good?)
There have been radical and successful re-interpretations in the past... BLADE RUNNER as you mentioned. Some people actually hate BLADE RUNNER for how far it strayed from the source. But straying so far from the source (including the title) made it a very different product entirely. BEOWULF AND GRENDLE vs 13th WARRIOR is also an interesting take... but it's a take on one of the oldest recorded stories... by now I think some revisionism is fair game.
However, this is a very specific name-brand adaptation. And as an adaptation of a very specific source, one with copyrights involved and stuff (to say nothing of a vocal fanbase, heh), I'd say
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by trycon-matrix on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 08:27:23 AM
Thats sweeet
BUT I don't think it will be in the movie looks more like some one's concept art.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 08:56:13 AM
The case is there's too much changing of things going on in this film. This is bad real bad. Too much of something in excess is always bad.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 10:45:26 AM
The case is there's too much changing of things going on in this film. This is bad real bad. Too much of something in excess is always bad.
Does that include too much bitching?
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by V4Vendetta on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 03:03:48 PM
Don't be surprised if you are proven wrong now. Cause I have a real hunch that you will be wrong on what you have said. The fact is Bay hasn't done a good movie the past ten years. I see the trend of his continuing with this failure as you are about to see.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Starscreamlore on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 05:08:01 PM
This is my first post pretty much ever so take it a bit easy! I am a huge fan of the original G1 series. I have read some of your guys post on this site and other sites and I think I know why some people like myself are getting mad the way we are.
Part of it is that they said that it was based off G1 series and other than the names its the only thing that is G1 and even those names are in the newer transformers like Armada(bites!), and Energon(Doublely bites hard core!!) so its hard to be excited over something that its not!
If they had come out in the beggining and said it was a new take on transformers it would be easier to swollow.
To respond to what some people are saying about them being blocky like in the cartoon, my personal answer to that is I'm not asking for it to be blocky. They could have done it like the way Pat Lee drew them were they looked like the old cartoons but they still looked liked robots and then they could have touched up on that look a little bit.
My main complaint right now (and I will definently go watch the movie just the same!)is other then the robots transforming and they have some of their names it doesn't feel like G1!!!!!!
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Smeg on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:02:37 PM
Part of it is that they said that it was based off G1 series and other than the names its the only thing that is G1 and even those names are in the newer transformers like Armada(bites!), and Energon(Doublely bites hard core!!) so its hard to be excited over something that its not!
Bay, Murphy, Spielburg, Dreamworks, Paramount, etc. never said this that I can recall, although Murphy has been known to say intentionally misleading things regarding the movie.
If they had come out in the beggining and said it was a new take on transformers it would be easier to swollow.
This is what I've always understood the movie to be, and what I'd prefer it to be. Regardless of what you've been told it would be or thought you heard it would be, it's pretty impossible to pretend that the film will be anything other than a new interpretation now, so there's no sense in lamenting a potential G1 movie. If you want to see a G1 movie, they already made one. It's pretty good too.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by Acecool79 on Saturday, September 02, 2006 @ 06:13:58 PM
Even Beast wars has threads in common with G1 tranformers such as primal's face plate and that it mostly took place in the G1 universe.
The major difference between beast wars and this movie is that beast wars tried to be part of the mythos where as this is simply replacing the mythos with something alien.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by J on Sunday, September 03, 2006 @ 08:14:42 AM
I am sooooo GLAD that I know people in the industry and I get to see movie's for FREE! LOL. I would not even pay for it when it comes out on DVD! If the story is good I will buy the DVD.... MAYBE! I would hate to even take the DVD of this film as a gift since Good old Michael Bay would still make money on it! I am so against his desighn on the bots that I would ask the gift giver to return it and I can't except this gift! The prime is not that bad, but not that good, the Meg's is a DinoZone looking toy, Bumblee is Short circit part three reject, Starscream is a Waspinator / Optimus Primal / Robotech reject! I think If they wanted life action Transformers to be a movie like Michael Bay is doing with only REAL looking stuff then he should have done BEASTWARS, cus then Optimus Primal could take a BIG crap on what he has made now!!!! Come on BAY....... IF people are telling u that they want G-1, why give them G-1 with DinoZone desighn for bots?????????
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by starscreamsrevenge on Monday, September 04, 2006 @ 06:43:22 AM
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Monday, September 04, 2006 @ 08:48:31 PM
If that trailer is legit, I think it pretty much dispels any debate over whether this film is a "G1" redux.
Though in my eternal cynicism, I suspect this teaser is just a red herring, designed to placate the fans, haters and naysayers (like me, wheee!) after the revelation of these questionable character designs.
With all the visual and audio cues that hearken right back to the original G1 cartoon, it does seem like it's openly courting the oldschool G1-favouring TF-fan demographic.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by ThaConqueror on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 @ 01:18:34 AM
Calling V4Vendetta, calling, V4Vendetta...maybe I'd have better luck with this: "Calling Mr.-Dumb-Bastard-Who's-Stuck-In-The-Past-And-Can't-Tell-The-Difference-Between-A-15-Year-Old-And-A-30-Year-Old-Transfan-Loser-Like-He-Is"
I mean, I post my thoughts on this picture. He says that I'll be "wrong", whatever the hell that means, once I see the movie. I say I'm 15 and I don't care about G1. He says I'm Peter Pan. And now I say someone forgot to take his meds this morning.
A TF site like this is for TransFans who want to know more about Transformers, and for said fans to talk to other fans, although they have to wait for a day for an answer. It is not supposed to be a full-scale battle between the G1 guys and the people who don't mind a bit of change. Like me.
Which reminds me, how in the world can you mistake me for a 30+ year old? If I was over 30, I believe I would say how much this figure is similar to the original Prime (or how dissimilar, depends how much I want to let go of my childhood). I am actually 15. I know that. The people who vaguely recognise me on this site know that. The people I know at AmIRight.com know that. As a bonus, I only really got hooked onto Transformers a couple of years ago.
Which means that when I see the movie, Optimus Prime will sound a little different to me, as I'm used to Gary Chalke (As I've watched almost all of Cybertron), not Peter Cullen. At least I'l get to know what "classic" Prime sounds like.
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by SMOG on Saturday, September 09, 2006 @ 05:03:50 AM
KOG!
Holy crap… 6 pages??? You like to babble even more than I do! ;)
The SMOG / KOG chronicles continue...
Being a student (indeed, graduate... yay me!) of both the Fine Arts and Film Production myself, believe me when I say I do understand your point about appreciating all the myriad elements that go into putting a big film onscreen.
However, I also think that there is a guiding presence (be it the director or the producers) that can lead a production astray, despite the best intentions of all those involved. I can't count the examples of movies I've seen that have stunning art direction or innovative cinematography, and yet fail overall due to poor acting, scripting, directing, editing... etc.
But here let me separate the Art and the Craft of cinema. There are formal qualities that go into the production and crafting of a quality film... and Hollywood has the best crafting around... the money ensures that.
However, the Art of cinema? Commercialism has largely killed it, and expectations have been lowered across the board. I applaud you for being a filmic omnivore... I love “genre” movies myself, and I certainly have my “guilty pleasure” films. But calling blockbuster action pics artistically vapid is hardly a stretch... sometimes I want to see more movies that are genuine pleasures, not just guilty ones. :)
A film really should be a holistic experience... once you start saying "it was good because the art direction was nice", then you're only a small step away from "Movie? What movie? Jessica Simpson is hot!"
Maybe you would call me a "glass half empty" type, but I'm usually coming out and saying "I loved the art direction, but man... what a crappy movie!"
Or in the case of Tony Jaa's latest Thai action film TOM YUNG GOONG/THE PROTECTOR, "Wow... Tony Jaa is a frickin' amazing performer... I can't wait till I see him in a GOOD movie!" :)
Re: New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime (Score: 1) by pokhapokha on Saturday, September 30, 2006 @ 10:34:07 AM
If this wasnt called "New Image of Transformers Movie Optimus Prime" I wouldnt have know this was suposed to be Optimus Prime! When your making a movie based on a cartoon its important to please the cartoon fans, thats the nr1 rule. This model differs too much from our beloved Optimus Prime!!! Its ok to make it a bit different and more detailed so it would be more suitable for a motion picture, but this model is too blue, chest is not wide and big enough, legs are too big compared to overall body to be Optimus Prime. Im not saying it doesnt look cool, its just too japanized and lost the charm of good ol Optimus.
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